Electric Cars

False.

Electric Vehicle Myths | US EPA

Fact check: Electric vehicles emit less carbon over life than gas cars (usatoday.com)

This started with some fake ass Facebook memes, like most far right garbage.

@zaryia: No, bro, that's slanted statistics.

Go have the EPA re-run those numbers with 35 - 40 mpg cars.

On top of that - how about we go into the uselessness of used EVs. You buy a $60k car, and after 6 years , it will be worth nothing.

After that, let's talk of the environmental impact of disposing of those batteries.

People tend to forget the amount of power required to make gas/diesel...

No it's not. You are objectively wrong on this, and there is nothing to even be debated here.

• Fact check: Electric vehicles emit less carbon over life than gas cars (usatoday.com)
• Are electric vehicles definitely better for the climate than gas-powered cars? | MIT Climate Portal
• Pricing indirect emissions accelerates low—carbon transition of US light vehicle sector | Nature Communications

An estimate done years ago here ended at 346g/km for gas before the gas reaches your vehicle. If only I could find it again.

@zaryia: Nope. You're wrong. Every one of those studies used low mpg to make the numbers work, while assuming advancements in battery production and dusposal that have never materialized.

Those studies also greatly over estimated the feasibility of renewable energy for the electric grid.

Go be a good boy and let the government tell you what you can buy, ok?

Please provide counter-citation, I am not reading this made up arm chair science. Every study I can find on this says you are wrong.

• Factcheck: How electric vehicles help to tackle climate change (carbonbrief.org)
• YSE Study Finds Electric Vehicles Provide Lower Carbon Emissions Through Additional Channels | Yale School of the Environment
• UCS Publications Templates (ucsusa.org)

Why does 1 side of this argument contain all the information and facts? This is climate denial and anti-vaxxing all over again.

And erasing the difference does not appear to take very long. In astudyconducted by the University of Michigan (with a grant from the Ford Motor Company), the pollution equation evens out between 1.4 to 1.5 years for sedans, 1.6 to 1.9 years for S.U.V.s and about 1.6 years for pickup trucks, based on the average number of vehicle miles traveled in the United States.

The study found that, on average, emissions from B.E.V. sedans were 35 percent of the emissions from an internal-combustion sedan. Electric S.U.V.s produced 37 percent of the emissions of a gasoline-powered counterpart, and a B.E.V. pickup created 34 percent of the emissions of an internal combustion model. (Because gasoline-powered pickups consume more fuel than smaller vehicles, switching to a battery electric pickup results in a greater reduction in emissions.)

@zaryia: Again, the problem is that all the studies take cars that have crappy mpg, and then don't take other factors into account.

Read this article: https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/are-electric-cars-really-better-for-the-environment/

The break even point is, in that case, 47k miles. HOWEVER, when you use a gas efficient car like a Civic, the numbers jump 30%, or 60k. On top of that, it does not take into account the 3% per year diminishing power of a battery, or the loss of efficiency in the winter.

Hydrogen cars and/or synthetic fuel are better solutions.

Your own article's conclusion:

So, there you have it. Even when using electricity that largely comes from coal, and even factoring in the creation of the battery pack, EVs have a considerably smaller impact on the environment than traditional, gasoline-powered cars.

You only had one job lol.

Yeah I'm going to side with the entire science community and every peer reviewed study on this one. 🤣

Did you... even read the article you linked? You just refuted your own premise. Good job.

47k miles is done in about 3 years for the average American and that article does maths in a WORST-case-scenario of energy efficiency. In other words, it picked the place with the dirtiest energy generation. And kudos for the authors to do that, while most people trying to make a case would cherrypick the best examples, these authors proceeded to do the complete opposite. Demonstrating that even at its worst, EVs still hit equilibrium with gasoline-powered cars in 3 years. Well within its lifespan.

In the other thread you were arguing for Literacy Tests for voting. And considering this post. I have to say... be careful what you wish for.

As for synthetic fuels, they are only efficient if the powergrid the energy grid were manufactured in is renewable. As manufacturing synthetic fuels is very energy intensive. Of course the best solution here is still to get rid of the car itself. I dislike both EVs and fuel powered cars.

@Maroxad: Worst case scenario for producing energy on tbe electrical grid, yes. Around 80% of the electricity produced in the US comes from power plants.

The "worst case scenario" is the norm.

Before you go challenging my literacy, get your facts straight, bub.

As for "cherry picking" - that's what you goofball libs did here. The crux of my first comment was "the market is not choosing electric cars, the government is forcing it".

None of you seem to have a problem with that, which speaks volumes.